RICHARD J. BRENNEKE

the witness hereinbefore named, having been previously cautioned and sworn, or affirmed, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth testified as follows:

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1blank.gif - 0.0 K A. During the whole period I worked for them.

2blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. And that was what years?

3blank.gif - 0.0 K A. That would be '68 through '80 -- I think the last flying I

4blank.gif - 0.0 K did for them was in '84.

5blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Did you ever pilot an aircraft to a location at Mena,

6blank.gif - 0.0 K Arkansas?

7blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, sir. I did on a number of occasions.

8blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. And what aircraft did you fly into Mena?

9blank.gif - 0.0 K A. I generally flew a C-130. Aircraft would be brought into

10blank.gif - 0.0 K Mena, the first trips that I made started in early '84.

11blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. I see. Were you based out of Mena for a period of time?

12blank.gif - 0.0 K A. That would be a very appropriate description.

13blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. How many flights would you say that you made from the Mena,

14blank.gif - 0.0 K Arkansas airport for the CIA during the period of time that you

15blank.gif - 0.0 K worked for them?

16blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Ten to twelve.

17blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Ten to twelve flights? And you flew a C-130?

18blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Generally flew a C-130. I did, however, on occasion come

19blank.gif - 0.0 K in -- on one occasion specifically I recall coming in on a Lear

20blank.gif - 0.0 K Jet, on one occasion on a 400 Series Cessna.

21blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. You kept flight logs of all of your flights for the CIA?

22blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, sir. I certainly did.

23blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. You have those logs?

24blank.gif - 0.0 K A. They're lodged with my attorney.

25blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. And would you submit to us copies of -- exact copies of

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1blank.gif - 0.0 K those logs, and make those an attachment to this record?

2blank.gif - 0.0 K A. I certainly will.

3blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. And I’d like to ask that the record be held openat this

4blank.gif - 0.0 K point subject tosubmission of those logs by the witness at a

5blank.gif - 0.0 K future time. Now --

6blank.gif - 0.0 K A. For the record, I’ll try and get those to you next week.

7blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. All right. Now, Mr. Brenneke, could you tell us when you

8blank.gif - 0.0 K first made a flight for the CIA from Mena, Arkansas?

9blank.gif - 0.0 K A. It would have been March, April of 1984.

10blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. 1984. And what was the cargo that you transported for the

11blank.gif - 0.0 K CIA from Mena?

12blank.gif - 0.0 K A. From Mena?

13blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Yes.

14blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Okay. From Mena I would generally take people who had been trained

15blank.gif - 0.0 K in the area around Mena, generally paramilitary or military

16blank.gif - 0.0 K forces from Central America. They would be taken back to Panama

17blank.gif - 0.0 K City, where I would drop them. And, in addition to that, we

18blank.gif - 0.0 K would carry weapons that were being shipped down there. The

19blank.gif - 0.0 K weapons, as I've said, frequently came either from government

20blank.gif - 0.0 K stores or through Tamiami Gun Shop in Miami, Florida.

21blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Now, were the shipments made from Mena, though?

22blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, sir, they were.

23blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Okay. Now, the guns, how did you know they were guns?

24blank.gif - 0.0 K A. I could see them being loaded on my aircraft.

25blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Were the guns in boxes?

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1blank.gif - 0.0 K A. The guns were in crates, and they were stamped clearly on

2blank.gif - 0.0 K the outside as to what they were.

3blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Now, can you identify for the record some of the kinds of

4blank.gif - 0.0 K guns that were being shipped from Mena to Central America?

5blank.gif - 0.0 K A. M-1's, M-1 rifles, recoil -- small recoilless rifles, 106,

6blank.gif - 0.0 K I've forgotten the exact caliber on it, grenades, ammunition for

7blank.gif - 0.0 K these weapons, fuses, detonator fuses. And I remember that one

8blank.gif - 0.0 K very specifically because it only happened once. But we had

9blank.gif - 0.0 K detonator fuses on board, and my concern was that we might have

10blank.gif - 0.0 K the equipment being detonated on the same flight, and I didn't

11blank.gif - 0.0 K want that.

12blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Did you inspect the crates yourself prior to airlifting?

13blank.gif - 0.0 K A. No, sir. I didn't look at every crate. But I would, from

14blank.gif - 0.0 K time-to-time, open one because I wanted to make sure of the

15blank.gif - 0.0 K weights on them.

16blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. And who was with you as co-pilot on the first flight?

17blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Harry Rupp, a friend of mine who lives in Denver, Colorado.

18blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Did he accompany you on all the flights or were there other

19blank.gif - 0.0 K co-pilots?

20blank.gif - 0.0 K A. No, there were other co-pilots from time-to-time.

21blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Can you describe -- name for us the co-pilots that

22blank.gif - 0.0 K accompanied you on the several flights that you made to Central

23blank.gif - 0.0 K America?

24blank.gif - 0.0 K A. No, sir, I can't. It's been too long.

25blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Do you recall names other than Harry Rupp?

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1blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes. Unfortunately only nicknames. There was a fellow

2blank.gif - 0.0 K that I flew with regularly that was called "The Hippie." He

3blank.gif - 0.0 K worked out Medellin, would frequently fly the trips up north

4blank.gif - 0.0 K to us.

5blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. "Up north," what do you mean?

6blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Up to Mena.

7blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. To Mena?

8blank.gif - 0.0 K A. And also into Iron Mountain Ranch in Texas.

9blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Into Texas. So you -- let's deal with the Mena location

10blank.gif - 0.0 K at the moment, and we can go to other locations today if we wish --

11blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Sure.

12blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. -- at a later time. There is an airport at Mena,

13blank.gif - 0.0 K and what's the name of it?

14blank.gif - 0.0 K A. It's Mena Airport.

15blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Mena Airport. And who did you see personally involved in

16blank.gif - 0.0 K the loading of these crates and the management of these cargoes

17blank.gif - 0.0 K that you knew personally and you can identify for the record?

18blank.gif - 0.0 K Did you see anyone there you would --

19blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, a man by the name of Freddie Hampton.

20blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Were there -- Freddie Hampton, is he from Mena?

21blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Fred Hampton owns and operates Rich Mountain Aviation.

22blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. In Mena, Arkansas?

23blank.gif - 0.0 K A. In Mena, Arkansas. And he would be the individual

24blank.gif - 0.0 K directing his workers. I assume they’re his workers, because

25blank.gif - 0.0 K they followed his direction in loading and unloading aircraft.

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1blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. How many workers do you recall were used for the purpose of

2blank.gif - 0.0 K loading and unloading aircraft?

3blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Depending on the equipment, it could run as high as twelve,

4blank.gif - 0.0 K more often than not it was around five or six people.

5blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Five or six people. Would you -- do you recall any of the

6blank.gif - 0.0 K names of the people who participated?

7blank.gif - 0.0 K A. I was never introduced to who they were.

8blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. I see. So as I understand it, they would load the guns and

9blank.gif - 0.0 K munitions on the C-130, and you and a co-pilot, one of whom

10blank.gif - 0.0 K you've identified as Harry Rupp --

11blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Uh-huh.

12blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. -- would fly these munitions and equipment to locations in

13blank.gif - 0.0 K Central America. Where was the cargo destined for; where did

14blank.gif - 0.0 K you fly it to?

15blank.gif - 0.0 K A. We flew it to Panama City and off loaded it there.

16blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Do you remember where in Panama City?

17blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Panama -- at Tecuman Airport.

18blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Which airport?

19blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Tecuman.

20blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Tecuman?

21blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Tecuman, T-E-C-U-M-A-N.

22blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Tecuman Airport. That's in Panama City?

23blank.gif - 0.0 K A. In Panama City.

24blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Did you fly them to other locations?

25blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, sir. We also flew to a point on the East Coast of

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1blank.gif - 0.0 K Panama and Colon.

2blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Colon?

3blank.gif - 0.0 K A. It's a Greek word.

4blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Now, could -- were the shipments met by people in Panama?

5blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, they were. They were. They were met by military types who wore

6blank.gif - 0.0 K military uniforms and were easily identified as members of the

7blank.gif - 0.0 K Panamanian Defense Force, which essentially is the Palace Guard.

8blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. All right. Do you know any of the people? Did you

9blank.gif - 0.0 K recognize any of the PDF forces that met these shipments?

10blank.gif - 0.0 K A. I recognized them -- I did not know the names of all of

11blank.gif - 0.0 K them; however, I did know the name of the man who trained them,

12blank.gif - 0.0 K and he would frequently be there to meet the shipments, and he

13blank.gif - 0.0 K is a man by the name of Michael Harari.

14blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Who is Michael Harari?

15blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Mike Harari was a Mossad agent. He’s an Israeli national.

16blank.gif - 0.0 K M best understanding is he lives in Israel right now. He was

17blank.gif - 0.0 K Manuel Noriega’s partner in a number of business deals in

18blank.gif - 0.0 K Panama. I know that firsthand because I had to deal with him.

19blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. All right. Now, Manuel Noriega, is he the former President

20blank.gif - 0.0 K of Panama?

21blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, sir. He is.

22blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Is that the same Manuel Noriega that is now incarcerated

23blank.gif - 0.0 K and is subject to trial in the Miami District Court?

24blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, sir. He is.

25blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Now --

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1blank.gif - 0.0 K A. If I may --

2blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Yes.

3blank.gif - 0.0 K A. There’s another that -- a man by the name of Jose

4blank.gif - 0.0 K Blandon, who was the Minister of Intelligence of the

5blank.gif - 0.0 K Intelligence Ministry in Panama at that time, and he also worked

6blank.gif - 0.0 K for Noriega and left somewhere in the mid-eighties, is currently

7blank.gif - 0.0 K in the United States in the Witness Protection Program.

8blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. I see. Now, what would happen to the cargo once you landed

9blank.gif - 0.0 K in Panama at either of these locations when it was met by the

10blank.gif - 0.0 K Panamanian Defense Forces?

11blank.gif - 0.0 K A. The cargo would be immediately off loaded off the aircraft

12blank.gif - 0.0 K and loaded either onto trucks or stacked in warehouses. If we

13blank.gif - 0.0 K were going into Colon, there are bonded warehouses where it

14blank.gif - 0.0 K would simply be stacked.

15blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Were these military trucks?

16blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Yes, sir.

17blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Could you identify the military insignias on the trucks?

18blank.gif - 0.0 K A. No. They were just --

19blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. They were military trucks?

20blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Drab olive green.

21blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. Olive green trucks?

22blank.gif - 0.0 K A. With numbers stenciled on the side.

23blank.gif - 0.0 K Q. I see. Operated by --

24blank.gif - 0.0 K A. Operated by people in military garb. I assume they were

25blank.gif - 0.0 K military trucks.

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